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Flying Omelette |
Are the days of our evil truly over? |
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TaroSH |
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I'm more amused by how this was started because some little shit commit suicide because she was flamed on MySpace. At least I don't have any hope for
humanity to lose.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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No sympathy for a kid who killed herself?
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Flying Omelette |
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I don't think what those people did to that girl was right, but on the other hand, I don't agree with this law at all. This law is just perfect for the
Kitsunexus/SlayerX/TermiteJr types that act like assholes towards everyone, but the moment anyone does it back to them (even if it's not as bad as what
they were doing in the first place) run away crying that everyone was being mean to them.
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TaroSH |
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Crawl and 1OOO wrote: Don't get me wrong, that was a really dickheaded thing the woman did to the kid. But for the kid to react by killing herself just made me shake my head. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Flying Omelette wrote:Well, I doubt this specific law is gonna go anywhere. It's too vague. It'd probably be more interesting to talk about what, if anything, could be done to regulate internet activity. I mean, you can't call someone on the phone and shout threats at them. So, it's not like protections against harassment are unprecedented. You just have to define the terms. |
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Flying Omelette |
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Yes, I think it would be difficult to enforce it.
Don't get me wrong, that was a really dickheaded thing the woman did to the kid. But for the kid to react by killing herself just made me shake my head. There are a couple of questions I have about that case and I don't think any article I've looked at yet had an answer for them: 1. Was there any truth to the mother's claim that the girl who committed suicide was spreading gossip and rumors about her own daughter? 2. Did the girl who committed suicide find out that the boy was fake before she died? Suppose he had been real... Don't kids date and break up all the time? How many relationships that start at that age last forever? So, uh, yeah. It seems to me that if someone is spreading rumors and does something so extreme as to kill herself, I think the problem might lie in more in her own home life. Of course, I may be speaking from bias considering that I now fault my upbringing for at least 90% of the problems I had growing up. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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I don't know if much could have been done in this particular case. I think part of "harassment" has to mean that a person doesn't want to
experience something, but has trouble not. So, Kitsunexis hanging out at our board couldn't possibly count; he could leave any time he wanted.
But to name a specific example that makes me think a line has been crossed was the one about the girl who got in a 100 mph car crash and whose brains were all over the place, and then her picture ended up on the internet and was used to harass her father. Maybe photographs of people could be considered to be copyrighted to the person they're of; then posting pictures like that would be like uploading pirated movies. Although I doubt this would ever happen; it could have happened before the internet. Thwarting paparazzi would have been a pre-internet motivating factor, but I don't think stuff like that ever had a legal fall out. (I suppose one reason it would be considered against the public interest to have a law that sweeping would be that it would be impossible or difficult to take newsworthy photographs, such as of politicians, and then publish them. Another argument -- probably the main one, really -- is that if a person is out in the open in public, then anyone could see them -- a photograph would not let people see what they wouldn't be seeing anyway) Of course, even if it was illegal, you wouldn't be able to get rid of every photo like that on the internet, but you could get it removed from big sites. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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I did find a relevant example.
It's the Oprah one at the end. Oprah claimed that she was co-author of photographs of herself and her guests because she had the right to her show,
herself, etc. The court did not agree with her. However, it's conceivable to imagine copyright law of photographs could be amended in the future to
include the owner of the subject matter as an automatic co-author of a photograph.
Maybe there's a substantial counterargument to that proposal, but I think I'd be in favor of it. (And for my other counterargument, you could always put an exception in cases of newsworthy photographs) |
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da dick |
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is it illegal if we just go around calling people "trolls" for disagreeing with us?
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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That would really kill 99.9% of the internet.
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greybob.flyingomelettes... |
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What if people decide that someone disagreeing with their opinion is somehow flaming? Then voicing your opinion on the internet would be illegal!
I live on the internet.
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Flying Omelette |
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I don't know if much could have been done in this particular case. I think part of "harassment" has to mean that a person doesn't want to experience something, but has trouble not. So, Kitsunexis hanging out at our board couldn't possibly count; he could leave any time he wanted. That makes me wonder how much this law could apply to this particular case, then, because she could have left Myspace anytime she wanted. Well, I think another thing that might make it difficult to enforce is that most people who are like that on the internet are teenagers and little kids who don't have the money to hire lawyers to represent them. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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I guess a person has a right to be on Myspace, and even Yuku, but maybe not every single Yuku board?
Anyway, what they're charging that woman with is something like computer hacking, because she gave false information to Myspace when she signed up. "Of the three ways in which men think that they acquire a knowledge of things--authority, reasoning, and experience--only the last is effective and able to bring peace to the intellect." -Roger Bacon |
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Flying Omelette |
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I just don't see how it's possible that won't be overturned. The only way a judge could possibly equate entering false information with computer
hacking would have to be one who is completely and totally computer illiterate.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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She might not be convicted. One thing I heard about that it that it could take those "user agreements" that everyone blindly clicks "yes"
on when they sign up for a site the force of law.
"Of the three ways in which men think that they acquire a knowledge of things--authority, reasoning, and experience--only the last is effective and able to bring peace to the intellect." -Roger Bacon |
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Flying Omelette |
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Yeah, that's the main complaint I saw at POE. That would mean I probably have hundreds of illegal accounts registered to a non-existent Francine Bates
(amongst other aliases) all around the internet.
I've noticed some online job applications ask for your Social Security # in a required field. I always put a bunch of zeroes in it. But that's illegal according to this law. (I thought I remembered hearing a long time ago that it's illegal for employers to ask for your SS# on an application, but maybe that varies state-by-state and that's only in NJ?) |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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For this
issue, Germany apparently has strict privacy laws about public photographs.
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SETZERtheGREAT |
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Sorry, but until the day that I see this is being enforced on a noticeable scale, I will continue to laugh at internet idiots and dumb game reviewers who
don't know what they're talking about.
"People are to be respected
regardless of position or class.
This should always be remembered." - Saradin, Ogre Battle |
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da dick |
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That would really kill 99.9% of the internet. cool. if only real life was that easy. |
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James FP |
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When SlayerX shows up again this holiday season, all bets on him trying to use this law as leverage.
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