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greybob.flyingomelettes... |
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What I meant by my comment about being able to note flaws, is that you don't go around calling every overlooked game and show you kinda like the "best
evar." People seem to think that because alot of people don't know about something, saying that thing is your favorite makes you unique.
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Lord Vyce |
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Later that same night, I got into a conversation about SNES games with someone else,I HAVE A NAME YOU KNOW?!?!?!?!?! I would never talk to any little kid that I always hear is a genius because that's always what you get. Actually, I don't like talking to little kids at all. I prefer to scare the bloomin' shits outta them. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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If a little kid legitimately was a genius, they'd probably be too socially awkward to talk to, anyway.
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sethrashnoo |
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I HAVE A NAME YOU KNOW?!?!?!?!?!I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS YOU OR NOT YOU DON'T ALWAYS GO TO OUR FAMILY REUNIONS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT EVEN FAMILY!! |
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Lord Vyce |
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YOU REMEMBERED THE SNOTTY LITTLE BRAT BUT YOU DIDN'T REMEMBER MOI??? 0o
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sethrashnoo |
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I TALKED TO YOU ALL THE TIME SO IT'S HARD TO REMEMBER EVERY SPECIFIC TIME AND PLACE THAT I DID. I ONLY TALKED TO THAT KID ONCE SO THE MEMORY WAS MORE
DISTINCT. EXCUUUUUUUUUSE ME!
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greybob.flyingomelettes... |
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You guys might want to get your caps locks fixed.
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CLOUDBOND007 |
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MAYBE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS THEIR KEYBOARD FIXED! HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT OF THAT? WELL, HAVE YOU?!?!?!?!
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Captain Ladd Spencer |
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AND MAYBE SOME OF US ARE JUST HOLDING SHIFT!!!!! EVER THINK OF THAT???!!!!
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Going back earlier in the thread to the "underdog" things, if Gameponders had said things like, "I like rooting for the underdogs, and I like it
when other people do, too", that would have been ... less insane than, "It sure is a profound realization that no one at this board, a board that has
no Britney Spears fans, defends her when she's insulted."
I think the thing about those people is that they must not have understood their own motivations, because if they did they could have explained it more clearly like that. Since they don't understand their own motivations, it makes me believe they just picked up that trait second hand and unexamined. Also, if they understood their own motivations, they would have know it's not normal to be so pathologically defensive. Not that "not normal" means "wrong", but if you know it's not normal you wouldn't consider it a shock to find that other people aren't like that, and, again, it would help with communicating your perspective with other people. |
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greybob.flyingomelettes... |
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Wait, so do you mean it's more insane to point out that people who aren't Britney Spears fans are defending her, or that it's more insane to be the
one defending her when you're not a fan? Your wording was a bit ambiguous.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Uh, neither, I guess.
People from the Gamepond actually said things like, "It sure is a profound realization that no one at this board, a board that has no Britney Spears fans, defends her when she's insulted." (If you knew that people actually said that, I think what I wrote would have been less ambiguous) The implication seemed to be that the speaker thought that people should defend things, regardless of what those people thought of them. They said it about other things, too. They were trying to cultivate an environment in which you couldn't say anything bad about any videogames or videogame systems (maybe even videogame websites). So, even though I am not a fan of the 3DO, it's like they expected me to defend it if someone said it wasn't a good system.
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Flying Omelette |
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And then there are people who are just the opposite and all they ever say are cliches. There was a time when Slayer was doing that and he annoyed me slightly.
(I think it was when he was there under his Tohsaka name.) There was one in particular I remember when he replied to some of my Arc the Lad 4 posts and said
something like, "Arc the Lad 4 is a mediocre sequel to a game series that was already finished."
The only response I could think to make to that (which I never actually made) would be, "Thank you for telling me the same exact thing that you can read on about 30 different websites. I already know what my own opinion of the game is, mmkay?") |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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One thing that annoys me about people like that isn't just that they say things that are cliches, but that they ignore everything you say and make posts as
though there's no context.
Like, okay, someone doesn't like Arc 4, whatever. But couldn't they at least reply to something you said about it? If they disagree with what you said, couldn't they at least acknowledge and rebut it, instead of saying something that could be said in any situation, and even if you had said nothing? I can't give a good example of what I mean, since I never played any of the Arc games, but hypothetically maybe something like, "You liked the characters in Arc 4, like Maru and Bebedora, but I played the earlier Arc games, and those oddball characters are out of place in the series, and their wackiness is a sign that they were desperate for new ideas to keep the series going." Again, I have no idea if that would be a viable opinion [since I never played any of the Arc games myself], but it kind of says the same thing you paraphrased, but was more specific so it could be discussed, and it acknowledges that you had already said things about the game that could kick off a discussion. |
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One thing that annoys me about people like that isn't just that they say things that are cliches, but that they ignore everything you say and make posts as though there's no context.That's exactly what I was saying earlier about why "POSTERS OUTTA NOWHERE" annoy me. I can handle someone having a different perspective on things than I do, but they should at least acknowledge others' perspectives. And, of course, they always say something that's completely generic and could have been said without actually having any hands-on experience. |
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The implication seemed to be that the speaker thought that people should defend things, regardless of what those people thought of them. They said it about other things, too. They were trying to cultivate an environment in which you couldn't say anything bad about any videogames or videogame systems (maybe even videogame websites). So, even though I am not a fan of the 3DO, it's like they expected me to defend it if someone said it wasn't a good system.I only very vaguely remember things from that long ago (I was only 11 when I joined the Game Pond originally), but I do remember it being said over and over again that you could never say one system is better than another because it's the games that matter, not the systems themselves. If I were to give people the benefit of the doubt, I'd say it was probably because they'd rather see people talk about actual games than a million system war topics. But it still doesn't really add up because not all game consoles are created equally. There are reasons the Phillips CD-i and the Atari Jaguar failed. I also remember that the same people who said things like that would sometimes randomly say things "suck" without adding anything more, and I always thought it amusing. I think if ordinary people were to occasionally say something sucks without adding more, I'd probably overlook it. But when people try to make attention-grabbing profound speeches about how all game systems are created equally, and then in the very next post say something like, "Final Fantasy sucks", I feel my right eyebrow going up. |
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greybob.flyingomelettes... |
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DOVEBLOB wrote: Wow, I wish I could do that. I've been practicing and everything lately, but to no avail. My eyebrows still refuse to move one at a time; instead they prefer to raise together, or not at all. Alas and alack! Anyways...back to the topic at hand, even if all systems aren't created equally, it still is more a matter of the games. Look at the PS3 and Xbox 360. Very powerful machines, but they still aren't utilizing the technology to make better games. And the Wii, even with its innovative motion controls, has very few (if any) games that actually make use of them in a successful and compelling way. But if you look at the SNES and the Genesis, they both had good games, and are remembered for those games. Yes, the SNES had better sound while the Genesis had better graphics, but the most important thing was that game developers were using these systems to make fun and challenging games.
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Flying Omelette |
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I don't really agree that the Genesis had better graphics. It had some games with excellent graphics, of course (Gaiares, Contra: Hard Corps), but I
don't think it ever had anything close to Yoshi's Island or Donkey Kong Country 2. And no RPG I've seen for it so far has looked as nice as Chrono
Trigger or even Final Fantasy 6.
And some game systems really are to blame. The Jaguar was difficult to develop for because of its dual processors, and it wasn't truly 64-bit, even though Atari claimed it was. The 3DO had horrible loading delays and subpar graphics capabilities. The Sega CD (although an add-on, but I'd still count it) had games that were essentially the same as a normal Genesis game, except with a few minutes of really crappy full motion video thrown in. So basically, you were expected to pay whatever the Sega CD cost ($200 maybe?) for a few extra cinema scenes that looked like they were drawn and animated in MS Paint, for the most part. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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And even if systems were created equally, the games still aren't. For some reasons, some systems have many great
games, and some systems just don't.
I mean, when people say, "The 3DO wasn't a very good system", they're not approaching the issue from the perspective of programmers trying to write for it. It's short hand for saying, "The 3DO doesn't have many very good games." |
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CLOUDBOND007 |
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I've always found Genesis visuals to be pretty far behind the SNES. There's something that's also unappealing about a lot of Genesis games that
goes beyond the technology, but I can't put my finger on it. I think a lot NES games in an artistic sense are nicer looking than Genesis ones.
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