Someone will always say that Contra is a shoot-em-up "because you shoot". As though the difference between those types of games isn't obvious.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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The worst are people who try to argue petty semantics about what I call "space shooters" (some people call them shoot-em-ups): R-Type, Gradius, Mars
Matrix, Zanac, and, yes, some that don't take place in space, like Lords of Thunder, Dragon Spirit, etc.
Someone will always say that Contra is a shoot-em-up "because you shoot". As though the difference between those types of games isn't obvious.
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Though at some point, like with music, who gives a shit what genre something is?
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CLOUDBOND007 |
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If Everquest is anything like WoW and LOTRO, and I think it is, it's almost completely different from the Baldur's Gate games and those like it.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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From what I remember playing of Phantasy Star Online, I don't even know if I'd call that game an RPG.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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It seems to me like a lot of that pedantic semantic stuff could come down to autistic literal mindedness.
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ACC KAIN |
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Or TermiteJr mindedness.
"No one can withstand
the power of KAIN"
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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But I look for patterns across multiple people, and literal mindedness, with an accompanying lack of common sense, is something that is very prevalent on the
internet. It's like that, "If you can't precisely define 'art', then you can't call anything art" crap.
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ACC KAIN |
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Go right ahead, but be mindful of the blacklist. Oh, thanks BTW. I forgot to respond to that. FO and James are becoming like this powerhouse anti-lamer duo. FO in the Site Tracking Adventures and James in Memory Lane.
Sethra righted the "wrong" of the Benji vs. Pero match, and I felt that whole topic was a wrong that needed to be righted. Man, we have changed and grown so much. No way would that guy have gotten let off so easily if I had been back then what I am now. It's too bad that some of the worst "wrongs" at that forum that deserve to be "righted" probably don't exist anymore.
"No one can withstand
the power of KAIN"
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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I still agree with what I said in that topic. (Of course, it's only a year old)
What defines an RPG is that you do not directly control your character in real time. Like I said, that describes everything from Dragon Warrior to Final Fantasy 4 to Tactics Ogre to Vagrant Story. It accounts for games with "hidden" menus, like FO talked about. And it describes Dungeons and Dragons! When I was about 3~6 years old, we got a Dungeons and Dragons set. It supposedly went to my sister, but I think it was supposed to be a family thing. My mother spent hours and hours drawing maps for adventures on graph paper. (I'd say she is a hobbyist artist) It was finally time for the three of us to play. My mother was the dungeon master. She said, "You're walking through a dark tunnel." My sister and I got up, and kind of shuffled around, pretending we were walking through a dark tunnel. My mother got pissed and said we weren't playing the game right. That's because for RPGs, you don't actually do what your character does. As for the "role playing" aspect of role playing games, that's impossible to define, since it's really just in the player's head. FJ McCloud said on Nsider that games like Super Mario Bros. or Star Fox could be "role playing games" if you got into the idea of assuming the main character's role. (In my opinion, I dispute that definition, even if you do get into the role). Even for Dungeons and Dragons, you could try to get into a role, and your Dungeon Master might encourage it, and I've read the rule books and they kind of enourage it -- but you don't really have to. There's a lot more in the rule books about monsters' hit dice and saving throws and experience points.
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Oh man, was I ever being an asshole in that topic. I'm not even sure what was up with that. Yeah, I tried EverQuest at a friend's insistence and I
could barely keep my eyes open. I wonder if maybe I was offended by the suggestion that anyone who plays EverQuest will become an instant babykiller.
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ACC KAIN wrote: With all due respect, no it isn't too bad. While I wouldn't doubt that I could say a few things about some of those situations now that I couldn't back then for various reasons, I really don't want to (and besides, I already have addressed some of those things on the forum anyway). It's one thing to pick on one-off "John Q. Internet" types like Bssteph and HeartofPain who aren't representative of the community in any way, but I don't want to stir up old bad feelings between friends. I also really don't want anything on the site that reminds me of that terrible time in my life right before I left to go live with DH. For the most part, I want to stick to our credo of archiving the good times and ignoring the bullshit. |
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James FP wrote: This is going back a bit in this topic, but...
On the other hand, Kiyone and Mihoshi's relationship does seem to have a lesbian undertone, but only in the TV series, and that's really only if you choose to interpret it that way. (Well, Kiyone's not in the OAV anyway, and their role in the movies isn't big enough for it to come through.) |
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The Easiest Final Bosses looks like something FO once planned to have on her website, but since she never went through with it, I guess it's ours for the taking.You're free to take it now, of course, but just for the record, I did used to have an "Opinions" section on my site way, way, way back when I first moved from go to geocities. (Don't know if the oldest versions of my site on archive.org will have those pages or not.) I got rid of it for several reasons: 1. Lack of interest. I didn't get very many submissions or feedback on it, and I didn't really feel like updating it in the rare occasion that I did. 2. To avoid confusion. I decided that I'd rather have the site be mostly for my own opinions. Example, someone might read an opinion in that section and later on, recall they read it on my site but not the name of the person who actually submitted it and ergo, might automatically attribute it to me. 3. Distancing myself from the Game Pond. There were some names involved that I didn't want to have associated with me or the site at the time due to the 2001 breakup and other issues. There might be some other topics like that scattered around. I actually had forgotten all about them until I saw that again on your site. Man...it's amazing how much I disagree with some of the things I said in that Equinox conversation now. I don't really know why I was acting so hung up on the overworld graphics, and they're not even really that bad. I think the rotation effect is actually kind of neat. Maybe I was playing it on an emulator back when it wasn't emulated very well and it didn't look right...and I judged it by that instead of the actual cart (even though I own the cart, maybe I just hadn't played it on the cart in awhile). |
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And, like FO said, they stayed up all hours of the night chatting online. The strange thing is, I was a teenager during those years, too, and even I wasn't usually able to stay up all hours of the night chatting. I pulled a
few over and late-nighters on the weekends occasionally, but I had things like school and parents that would kill me
if they caught me staying up that late. If I believed for a brief moment that some people were adults and not really teenagers, that would've actually been
one of my reasons. I figured they must be adults who don't have jobs, don't go to school, and are "living in their parents basement", so to
speak.
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I used to stay up pretty late online even when I had school. I was seriously sleep deprived for a couple of years, I think. Wasn't just the internet, I
used to do the same thing, watching TV until all hours of the night. Then when I finally got over the compulsion to stay up late, I got a job working until
10PM or Midnight. It's taken until age 24 for me to actually sleep like a normal person.
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I am SO glad I was a teenager during the brief window of time that the ezboard fad was around. I wouldn't have traded that shit for anything. Nowadays, the
internet is so dull.
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When there's a lot of people on all at once, like there was tonight, I can find it difficult to pull away because I keep thinking that with that many
people, someone's eventually going to make a post.
Strange how even before I stopped going to other message boards, I never felt that way about anyplace else. Other places I was content to check once or twice a day and that was it. Another reason I'm glad I kicked the outside message board habit is because I sort of felt like it was my own personal version of "obsessed webcomic fan mentality". I noticed people on that John Solomon blog saying that they had like 80-100 webcomics bookmarked and they'd spend all their time cycling through them. While I was never going to THAT many message boards (I don't even think I was in the ezboard heyday), I still felt like what I was doing was the same sort of thing. |
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Has Tyler beaten Battletoads? His posts in that easiest final bosses thing would seem to indicate he did.
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pOrn Sigma |
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Flying Omelette wrote:This is one of the things that makes me glad I stopped going to VGF, along with the general stupidity of the member base that frequently made me depressed about my hobby. There were so many members and so many posts I'd often spend most of the day hawking that place. I'd never get anything done on my site, and I didn't play nearly as many or as various games as I do now (although I still probably played more games than most of the people there combined, and I know I played games across a broader spectrum of series, consoles, and genres). Now I've got a steady update schedule for my site, plus I can make the content somewhat more mature since I no longer have to cater to a bunch of kids, and the last time I got depressed about being a gamer was when I tried the I-Mockery forums. ![]() It's time for revenge... |
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There were actually so many people on last night, it set a new record for this board.
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